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spency

Yeah, but I mean like 'thought-forms' or things like that

The word thoughtform is used to refer to almost anything... Its meaningless at this point.

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Thoughtform is any kind of identity in your mind. Tulpa, daemon, soulbond, alter, whatever. It’s an umbrella term that’s interchangeable with headmate most of the time

4:35 PM

Although I’d call a character or servitor a thoughtform but I wouldn’t call it a headmate (edited)

Reisen

Luminesce: I don't acknowledge incorrect ideas as legitimate "controversy". (edited)

Congratulations, you have solved controversy. It doesnt exist anymore. Correct or incorrect is subjective, dont believe you have the truth.

4:36 PM

Controversy is just about conflict, if there is conflict arround something then there is controversy.

Rusty

Thoughtform is any kind of identity in your mind. Tulpa, daemon, soulbond, alter, whatever. It’s an umbrella term that’s interchangeable with headmate most of the time

Thoughtform has been used for all kinds of things, from plurality to a personification of what creates emotions, to literally anything weird on someones head. At this point it lacks meaning as it fails to convey anything of value, it specifies nothing.

That’s the point of an umbrella term

Rusty

I made multiple tulpas without any knowledge of tulpamancy. So for anyone to think this is anything but a function in the brain and that one group can claim it is complete and utter bullshit. It’s like trying to claim an inner dialogue belongs to one group.

You dont need to do it "without knowledge of tulpamancy". The fact that you can do something like this inside of your head is enough for noone to gatekeep it, and if you werent able to do it it woudnt make sense in the first place.

It does specify something. If I say I have a thoughtform you aren’t going to wonder if im talking about a physical object

Rusty

That’s the point of an umbrella term

The thing is that its used for many unrelated things without an underlying logic, which is not the point of an umbrella term.

Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し)

You dont need to do it "without knowledge of tulpamancy". The fact that you can do something like this inside of your head is enough for noone to gatekeep it, and if you werent able to do it it woudnt make sense in the first place.

That’s…. What I was saying

Rusty

It does specify something. If I say I have a thoughtform you aren’t going to wonder if im talking about a physical object

But usually thats already given in the context... (edited)

Reisen

Active forcing is how actual tulpa development occurs. Passive forcing is basically just "keeping them around", but unlikely to make any true progress

you should've tagged me in this stop spreading falsehoods from the 2004 days you can make a headmate by passively talking to them lots, sure you can even do it while drawing or commuting or watching shows or playing games that's the best way to learn imo

Reisen

Luminesce: Tulpa is really very neutral in terms of "controversy", there's nothing to it despite what some communities like to say (edited)

there's nothing to it despite what some communities like to say

isn't that the definition of controversial? contra- views?

It's incredibly poor form to call what other people give as opinions " falsehoods" and order them not to spead them.

I find it hard to do passive forcing I just forget to do it

6:28 PM

ive set up a notification app to remind me

6:28 PM

ill just get into flow state

If I can give a tip, you can try to force before the notification so you learn to do it on your own instead of having the reminder remind you. Timer goes off and you didn't remember, you "lose". (edited)

thats really good dog treats training and negative reinforcement are so powerful

6:33 PM

I feel like schools could use it in learning so much better, education can be gamified

6:33 PM

at least I hope so

If I can give a tip, you can try to force before the notification so you learn to do it on your own instead of having the reminder remind you. Timer goes off and you didn't remember, you "lose".

@Reguile - jump how about a reminder for a reminder?

No dice, has to come from in your head

that kinda skips the point but could work, like a failsafe the main purpose was for negative reinforcement so u dont wanna lose

6:38 PM

u could do that for like a week

6:39 PM

then only the losing ones

6:39 PM

get a chocolate if u win bing bing

6:39 PM

swear we have adults at slots all day and we dont try this w education

6:39 PM

am I insane

I think problems exist with it. I'm going to jump over into one of the general channels.

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Reguile

It's incredibly poor form to call what other people give as opinions " falsehoods" and order them not to spead them.

unlikely to make any true progress

could be either. either way it makes sense to call it a falsehood if you think/know it's false and is in the state of being false (-hood)

7:15 PM

felt like a fact though

sh

you should've tagged me in this stop spreading falsehoods from the 2004 days you can make a headmate by passively talking to them lots, sure you can even do it while drawing or commuting or watching shows or playing games that's the best way to learn imo

Luminesce: We'd be better off just dropping the term "passive forcing" entirely, it's never been useful or meaningful (edited)

12:23 AM

Talking at your tulpa does nothing to progress vocality if you're not paying the slightest bit of mind intending for them to be listening and possibly responding, and if you ARE doing that, then it falls in the category of active forcing

12:23 AM

But there's no point in having those two terms

We have never done active forcing.

12:26 AM

And we are a system of 3

Then you got by through the small amount of intent/expectation that's unavoidable in "passive forcing", like downloading a file at 1mbps instead of 20mb/s

Reisen

Talking at your tulpa does nothing to progress vocality if you're not paying the slightest bit of mind intending for them to be listening and possibly responding, and if you ARE doing that, then it falls in the category of active forcing

using that meaning, getting into the habit of passive forcing could help you achieve active forcing more

I don't even like the separation of the terms because it implies one kind of activity is innately different from another

that's all i can think o

Reisen

Talking at your tulpa does nothing to progress vocality if you're not paying the slightest bit of mind intending for them to be listening and possibly responding, and if you ARE doing that, then it falls in the category of active forcing

Soooo, if it works then its active forcing... So therefore as pasive forcing is not active forcing it doesnt work. Clear example of putting the conclusions you want to reach directly into your premises.

I don't want to defend the term "passive forcing"

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12:28 AM

I don't think it's meaningful or useful to differentiate

Reisen

Then you got by through the small amount of intent/expectation that's unavoidable in "passive forcing", like downloading a file at 1mbps instead of 20mb/s

I was created instantly.

12:29 AM

Im the second one though, the first one took a week to be developed.

Yeah, that's normalish

12:29 AM

The brain learns tulpamancy more than just the host

if passive forcing = 'talking to a tulpa while also doing something else like drawing'

12:30 AM

would that change ur mind?

Reisen

The brain learns tulpamancy more than just the host

Yeah

the host? there is no host

Reisen

Talking at your tulpa does nothing to progress vocality if you're not paying the slightest bit of mind intending for them to be listening and possibly responding, and if you ARE doing that, then it falls in the category of active forcing

Of course you have to pay attention for them to respond. That doesnt make it active as you can be doing other stuff at the same time. which means that instead of forcing 1h a day actively i can force 12h a day pasively and get much better results.

it's a social construct /hj

Ah, i was about to go against that

sh

the host? there is no host

There's always a host at the start of the tulpamancy process, lol

Reisen

There's always a host at the start of the tulpamancy process, lol

Yeah, 'the original' in a way

Reisen

I don't think it's meaningful or useful to differentiate

Then why did you say to start with that passive forcing does not work? You made the distinction there.

Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し)

Of course you have to pay attention for them to respond. That doesnt make it active as you can be doing other stuff at the same time. which means that instead of forcing 1h a day actively i can force 12h a day pasively and get much better results.

Luminesce: I pretty much agree, which is why I don't like differentiating between "active" and "passive" forcing like they're innately different things (edited)

Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し)

Then why did you say to start with that passive forcing does not work? You made the distinction there.

I explained what the definition has always been from 2012 to 2020+.

Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し)

Of course you have to pay attention for them to respond. That doesnt make it active as you can be doing other stuff at the same time. which means that instead of forcing 1h a day actively i can force 12h a day pasively and get much better results.

desu you're agreeing with me

12:32 AM

careful

I don't like the term in the first place though, but that doesn't really mean I want to redefine it either

12:32 AM

Rather just not use it anymore

sh

desu you're agreeing with me

Change your opinion if that bothers you /j

Reisen

Rather just not use it anymore

abolish forcing?

That's a different thing entirely

Reisen

I don't like the term in the first place though, but that doesn't really mean I want to redefine it either

But you redefined it to say that it doesnt work.

when has forcing linguistic change EVER gone wrong (edited)

Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し)

Of course you have to pay attention for them to respond. That doesnt make it active as you can be doing other stuff at the same time. which means that instead of forcing 1h a day actively i can force 12h a day pasively and get much better results.

That's true, but people who suck at multitasking would be

(me)

Luminesce: I said before, we've had a thread or two about changing the word "forcing" on the forum, but no one could agree on/come up with a good alternative word (edited)

12:33 AM

"Tulping" was the best/funniest I saw

lol

I mean it's just of like typing

12:33 AM

It works?

that's like 'morbing'

Reisen

"Tulping" was the best/funniest I saw

Im tulpin'

Pftt

sh

that's like 'morbing'

Its tulpin' time!

Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し)

Its tulpin' time!

where are you from desu

Desu?

desutin

sh

where are you from desu

Why do you ask?

you came from nowhere with knowledge

12:36 AM

where? to tune my lang round u

Im from nifty system

reddit? info?

Here, this server

how long have you been here (nifty acc)

No idea, a couple of months maybe.

where are you from desu

@sh - jump is desu a tulpa? otherwise you can't ask this question here

my curiousity has been quenched

TiCtAc(✧×✧)

where are you from desu

@sh - jump is desu a tulpa? otherwise you can't ask this question here

they are (?)

I think she is making a joke about your naming convention...

i would never joke on tulpa-questions!

are you a tulpa, actually? or the og?

sh

are you a tulpa, actually? or the og?

Im a tulpa, nifty is the original.

how much have i spoken to your system before this week

No idea.